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XYZ
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Have any one seen similar behavior. This has been picked up from MOB wiht flow direction of Vertical Motor driving Pump.

What is the best way to dignose this beating?
 
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The Beat frequency is 0.042Hz or 2.53 cpm. If the electrical frequency is 60 Hz, and Synchronous speed is 900 rpm, then the electrical pole-pass frequency is 0.71 Hz or 42.6 rpm. So there is no match to an electrical fault. Does the pump in question share a common foundation or pipes with another pump/machine that has a speed difference of 2.53 rpm?

Walt
 
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Is it a beat or amplitude modulation? Can you take a high resolution spectrum? If there are 2 peaks, its a beat. Besides the phenomena Walt has mentioned above, this could be some kind of flow problem related to design of the inlet vortex, tank levels or process flow. A beat is very likely if there are 2 or more pumps operating at the same speed close by.


Bill Kilbey
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Posts: 308 | Location: Knoxville, TN USA - The center of the reliability universe! | Registered: 06 May 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Any chance of you exporting the data so I could import it into my copy of Ascent?

Be interested in playing around with the data a little bit.

Marty
 
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Hi All,

Thanks for sharing ideas, as requested by Marty, the file is attached.

This pump B is sharing another pump A in one tank and they are nearby. Another pump C is line with other two but it has its own tank.

First I suspected beating is being excited by some electrical problem, so I requested to replace the motor with a newly overhauled motor. Despite this, as Walt stated, this not an electrical fault but still worth a try.
As two pump must be running and one is standby, I requested to shutdown the pump A sharing this pump in the same tank. The output is the same. What I did not do is to shutdown the third pump C and to take my reading.

As I want to put a recommendation, what else can be done except shutting dow Pump C and see the result. As the field is far a way and I need to be will prepared.

Thanks.
 
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XYZ,

Can you post very high resolution (12,800 lines), low Fmax (200 Hz) spectrums? Look for sidebands around 1x, 2x and 3 x which would be indicative of amplitude modulation, or most likely, 2 peaks near 1x which would be the beating frequencies.


Bill Kilbey
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bkilbey@gmail.com
 
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Bill,

with thanks.

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