This has been discussed before, but we really, really need the old multiple route load feature for the 2130. I have had to come back to the office twice this week and load routes that I forgot about (there are about 30 routes, in 25 areas, in 3 databases.... big plant). If you are an RBMware user using a 2130, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE fire off an email to CSI about getting multiple route load back! I intend to email them at least once a week until they put it back in!

The contact is:

Drew Mackley
Core Portable Products Manager
Emerson Process Management
drew.mackley@emerson.com

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Rusty,

Is that problem restricted to the 2130 because mine still works?

The new windows upgrade was actually a downgrade! CSI can "DRAG & DROP IT" in the river.

I am running v5.1 and everything works fine.

I still use "tools" but everything under tools works (or doesn't) just about the same.

Hi Rusty,

We are also using V 5.1 and itz working fine!!

You can do multiple route download from the software or from 2130...

Have a nice day!!

Get with the rest of the world; memory is cheap nowadays. Load all machines once and they are there and available always. HOwever, it dows seem CSI's software has a problem with keeping the data straight and dates correct and with data loss if you try keeping some routes resident.

It's specific to the 2130 I guess which uses a different communications program which you won't see in RBMware if you just use a 2120. You can't "batch" your route loads. You have to click on each area and then click on each route you want to load.

With all due respect Sam, loading well over 100 routes in my meter is not "getting with the program". Memory issues aside, that is not an efficient way to organize your work. Do you have ALL of your files in a single folder on your PC? Of course not.

Again, if you are a 2130 user, please drop CSI an email about this. If you are not, or it's not an issue for you, then ignore this thread, and don't post anything here.

Not to hijack the thread, but to me the bigger pain is that when you drill down to the route level, all the machines are shown underneath. This creates clutter that must be navigated around.

If Csi would have a "show all routes" button that would show the routes without showing all machines within the routes, I think it would be fairly simple to ctrl-click multiple routes and drag all at once. That shouldn't be so hard, should it?

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With all due respect Sam, loading well over 100 routes in my meter is not "getting with the program". Memory issues aside, that is not an efficient way to organize your work. Do you have ALL of your files in a single folder on your PC? Of course not.

I think you completly missed the point. It is not about all files in a folder and that is not even relevant. You can make 25 routes into a 100 or a 100 into one - again, not the issue. So, you are not leaving the thread (thought in passing). From reading others post maybe you should follow their advise or give it a try instead of trying to lead everyone to make a campaign against CSI or is this the part where you are followign Bill's adivse? For the life of me, I can't make sense of what you are doing or saying here!

I am not sure if the original question was to load an empty route to the 2130 or dump data back to the database. I replied early on because we recently upgraded to the windows version. What I lost was the ability to load several routes from different databases (one at a time), collect data, and then dump them all at once with one click. Because the new version will only dump to one database at a time, I lost that nice feature. This may seem silly to some, but when you work with 4 databases daily, and 8 in all, it was frustrating at first. However, I have adjusted and life moves on.

I believe what Rusty is talking about is loading the same route more than once. I miss it too. This was very handy if you went out in the unit to take measurements on something that had a problem, do some bracing, etc., then turn around and take some "after" readings to show the difference. This was also very handy when going out of town to a motor shop to take readings on a motor at a certain speed, then jump to the other "same" route and take readings at a different speed or load.

The Multiple Route Load is an option in the Route management applet that lets you define a file with multiple routes, for example all the routes for a particular plant or area. You could then select the Multiple Route Load file and all of the routes defined in the file would be loaded on the analyzer instead of having to select each separately and possibly forget one. I think it would be a very handy option to have available.

As for dumping data I can select as many route data files as I want, drag them to the tree and it will dump every one of them, even from different databases. We are using version 5.1 and 2130 analyzers.

I am also able to load the same route twice, in internal memory and again in external memory (we use PC card adapters with 1Gb compactflash cards) then select either for data collection. I have tried to load most of my routes to memory but that isn't a very realistic option, too many routes to wade through to find the one you want.

I dont think it needs to be a campaign or anything like that or for that matter a bombardment of emails. I met Drew earlier this year when he was in Australia and he was quite open to issues people had with the differences between the old RBMware and the new version 5. I did see some of version 5.2 while he was here but i cant remember if MRL was part of the upgrade. I know it was mentioned and it maybe be on the drawing board to be added later. I believe the reason it has not yet was they could not write it into the program yet.
I might be wrong though. Drew did say he looked on this site from time to time so he may have read this thread already.

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For the life of me, I can't make sense of what you are doing or saying here!

Now that statement (by Sam) is the epitome of "the pot calling the kettle black".....

This 'pot' or vessel does contain some amount of substance and I'm a white guy but in no way intended to make petti conversation.

I merely stated that some statements or comments from others had merrit and maybe should be listened to about your problem with loading routes. It seemed that they were not experiencing the same problems you were with the difficulty of managing the routes in the MRL section of software. Why try to incite people to a campaign of writing letters to CSI on a weekly basis because you are having trouble. You seemed serious about that. Take it up with CSI; not me.

Don,

If you set the 2130 to save all data or query before data, you can save many waveforms on the same point.

I have done this a lot on "before and after" trials on variable speed pumps.

Aubrey

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Originally posted by Aubrey:
Don,

If you set the 2130 to save all data or query before data, you can save many waveforms on the same point.

I have done this a lot on "before and after" trials on variable speed pumps.

Aubrey

I learned something here. Thanks, Aubrey!

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believe what Rusty is talking about is loading the same route more than once.

Not what I'm talking about at all.... the way that's handled in the 2130 is much better actually. Press Alt, User Setup, Data Storage Mode until 'Save All Data' or 'Query Overwrite' is selected. Then when you attempt to collect data on a point that already contains data, the meter asks you if you want to start a new route data collection. You can take as many data 'sets' as you want and each is treated as a new data collection and all the trend data will be saved. I do this all the time for before, after, and even during, when working on a machine. Or loaded and then unloaded. Etc.

Sam I know exactly what I'm talking about here. There is no work-around for the loss of the MRL feature in the 2130 communications module. Just a maddening requirement that you click each 'area' and then each 'route' in each area that you want to load....click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click,.... instead of one CLICK that loads all of your routes, in a predetermined order of your choosing, for as many databases, areas, and routes as you care to define.

I've been using computers and software for 30 years and this is clearly a case of something that was done without thinking, because the software engineers or programmers don't do PdM vibration data collection for a living. Their 'drag and drop' is clearly inferior to the old 'batch' approach, which BTW is still available using the 2120 and communications module that it uses.

OK, OK.... my bad for not specifying this is a problem particular to the 2130. I have fixed the original post. Sorry. And thanks for all the input.

Rusty,

I understand what you are missing (and have since the first post)

I have some plants that I cover that have 10-12 routes and it would be a real pain to load them individually and I would almost certainly screw it up from time to time.

The MRL feature allows you to not only get it right every time, but do something else while it is loading. Those 5-10 minute breaks are precious in the life of a consultant.

Rusty, I too have understood what you were referring to since the first post. I've been in contact with several of CSI's software engineers in the last few weeks and have passed on the desire of you and of many others to have this valuable feature added back to Machinery Health Manager. They have stated that they understand the need and will try to work it back in, but it will take some time to make it happen, if ever. All we can do is hope.