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What I can say is that I used to have setups like you - all rolls etc. in one "machine". I think it was like this because that was easiest in the old DOS days. (I have 15+ yrs on many paper machines doing routine surveys and specific investigation work)Then someone worked out that life was easier by using "multiple spectra" and we changed to have every roll to its own "machine". Much greater route construction flexibility (you can go top wire, 1st press,2nd press and back again - basically in the order as you walk over walkways (minimising on machine time, safer)and make your way up or down the wet end) which you can't do your way since you cannot have a machine in a route more than once. Also the "CTRL + 1,2,3" shortcuts fit better in the analysis flow.

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Do I understand you correctly, you have each roll in its own "machine" with no other rolls with it
Yes. that way all the points for the roll (Front and rear, normal and Peakvue are together making comparison of front and rear very easy)

and have to enter the FPM or MPM each time you go from one point to the next?
CSI gets around this problem which was the main argument against this approach. The global speed set function on the analyser, works on 2120 & 2115(later firmwares), not sure on 2130 but I assume so. Hit the "utility" button, "select route", highlight route (say wet end front) press F6 function key, press "enter", enter global route speed and voilla!! all machines in your route will have their speed set. If machine speed changes, or of 2nd press runs faster than bottom wire, just repeat the global speed set - does not affect data already collected.

Do not understand what "multiple spectra" has to do with each point being within its own machine. "multiple spectra" has been in existence since DOS Version 1.1*. hasn't it? The "HOT KEYS" may not have.

When in multiple spectra, say last 8 spectra, when located on the latest, hitting ctrl+3 goes straight to last n on all points in the machine (on 1 waterfall plot) for easy front / rear comparison. Crtl+2 back again. There might be another way but this works very well.

The way I have a "machine" setup on a paper machine, I have the control of collecting all points in the order best suited to keep from jumping from here to there. All in a 1,2,3, etc. order.
To a degree. Can only control order within a machine. If I walk, at floor level, past wet end I might want to collect bottom wire rolls, then floor level 1st press, 2nd press. Then go up ladder to go back to 1st press and back to drive roll on bottom wire - that's not possible since you can't have same machine in route more than once. You could set up entire wet end in 1 machine but number of points allowable in a machine are limited (128??)

Using each roll=1 machine approach does mean you have to have front and rear in separate routes.

Some of the data I look at is thousands of miles away, collected by someone else and without knowing what type or at least what the gearbox looks like that is driving the couch roll or how the felt wrap is on felt roll #10 or is it a dual bearing housing or not, a picture would greatly helpful.

Yes it would be. I try to have autocad drawings of machine handy at all times. Guide & Stretch rolls, wraps are easily identified. Also why it's a good idea to include "guide" & "stretch" in the point name in rbmware.

To have to enter the speed of, ie. 5600 fpm eash time I change points seems like would be quite a hassle, wouldn't it?
Yes it would be - see above.
Or maybe I misunderstood how you are setup.

Anyway, It sure would be nice to have the ability to attach an image on more than just the machine.
Yes. I have 3rd party reporting software to do that.
Here is one of the routes we collect data on. The route is not, or at least not the way I think you were talking about, uncontrolable order(?). Maybe I did not understand. Sorry if I did not.

I could pull a motor and gearbox out and have its own machine but sometimes when I go from the gearbox input to felt roll #2 because it saves --------- OH SHOOT!
Can be done like that, I tend to do drives as a separate route hence don't go from drive to roll. Admittedly this makes it not as easy to compare drive to roll. Regards.

I could rant on and on about this but, WHAM! The End.

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But how are you reporting? Are you using RBMview? You can assign as many pictures as you want through RBMview. Maybe I'm missing something. . . .

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Well, the more machines you have, the more places to assign pictures.