There's a new kid in town

Check out the new Fluke 810 Vibration Tester

They have taken an interesting road to who will use this vibration tester and how they will use it.

In addition Fluke has contributed big time to pushing Infared cameras price down and performance up. Even the largest competitors have had to react and many of the dinosaurs in IR disappeared because they could not evolve.

Wonder if this Vibration Tester is chapter 2? Are the current box makers nimble enough to thrive or will some go the way of the brontosaurus?



Terry O

I am guessing the advantages will be low price and “ease of use” (well suited for relative beginners in the vibration field). Is there any idea of the ballpark price for this?

Terry,

Do you know the origin of this vibration product or who provided the expertise? What has been the evolution of IR service providers now that there are cheap IR product on the market? Have they become extinct as well? Will this MaintenanceForums board become extinct as well, since the product does all the hard stuff?

Walt

I am not sure what all the particulars are but I do know that AzimaDLI was involved.

Ronnie

Pete - not sure of the price yet - working on finding out - but if past history is any indication - it will be significantly less than what else is out there. Shipping first units in April 2010.

Walt - Good quality IR service providers are doing well - even with all the low priced hot shots around. Quality and experience is still valued at some companies. As for these message boards - hmmmmm - once the world is reliable - then this site should go the way of the dino's! Any predictions on date?

Ronnie - Azima DLI - now that makes sense of some of the stories I have been hearing. I should have put that together myself. Great info - thanks.

Here is a quote from Fluke "No Training - No Problem" The Fluke 810 provides the answer. Extensive experience with mechanical vibration, what it means and how to fix it is built in the advanced algorithms of the Fluke 810...

Terry O

One problem I see with this type unit, is that somebody in the plant has to actually go out and collect data with it. Every PdM customer I have, it's because they either don't want to do that, or just don't have the manpower. In 15 years, I've never had a customer say, "Hey, we want to start our own vibration program. How do we do that?"

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In 15 years, I've never had a customer say, "Hey, we want to start our own vibration program. How do we do that?"

In my 42 I have! Many plants want to start a program. I have had some call me and pay me a day's wages to talk to them about their developing a program and at the end of the day; they said money well spent.

Would like to have a reasonably priced vib analyzer. Any idea on how much this is likely to cost ?

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Here is a quote from Fluke "No Training - No Problem" The Fluke 810 provides the answer. Extensive experience with mechanical vibration, what it means and how to fix it is built in the advanced algorithms of the Fluke 810...

Good luck with that!

Vendor,

Yes, it can be done. I made a basic system like that ME42 and have produced it for 4+ years now, a couple of hundred systems in use from Singapore to Houston and all over. Idea was for like HVAC, pump and fan service guys to have tool that gave them a hit list of problems found to work on when getting vibrations and not having the training manual handy. It´s not so fancy with colour screen and such, at least not yet but price is maybe reflecting that. It got used far more spread than I thought possible, from nukes to food industry and surprisingly electric motor shops. So to give a basic support in the handheld for the enduser is not that tricky and it´s way more useful than a overall value, that you get anyway. I do have a bailout to cover the rear "vibration to hi no rules triggered, send in data for analysis". I have to my surprise got a limited amount of data to look at. So for our pricing look at the website. If you add a lot of bells and whistles the cost go up, unless you have a hi volume and Fluke maybe will get that. You also need a long term vibration support for the product. I think that´s where HP eventually fell off, if you remember that box, despite they did a lot good work at the time. Fluke maybe use Azima for that in this case. Time will tell. What we normally have seen is that when customers start to use more competent tools they find more complicated problems so I think we will see more funny things to look at here. Olov

Early information says this will be under $10K.

My information is that the Fluke 810 is a version of the DLI DCX running a slimmed down version of Expert Alert. I heard it would sell for around $8500 but there are lots of options that can be "enabled" for extra bucks.

VENDOR ALERT: Thank you for your interest in the upcoming 810 Vibration Tester. As stated above, the product will be available for sale in the April timeframe.

It's important to note that the 810 is not an analyzer, but rather a "frontline" troubleshooter designed for maintenance techs who need immediate guidance on machine health. Condition-based monitoring is a nice goal, but ultimately it's out of reach for many mainstream industrial facilities due to a host of reasons. We want to help those folks out with their more common mechanical problems.

Stay tuned...you'll see more on the Fluke website as April draws closer.

Ed:

I would be very interested in learning more about the Fluke 810. Went all over their website today, not much there on it.

I talked with Dr. Ken Piety this past week, and he told me directly that he and the folks at AZIMA DLI had partnered with Fluke on the design of the tester. So I can confirm that it does have some "automated analysis" from AZIMA DLI.

Buddy Lee, CMRP
National Account Manager
AESSEAL, Inc.

865-388-3802 Cell

I have had a few calls and emails about my posting here and I want to clear a couple of things up.

1) My original post should not be considered an endorsement - it is not

2) My primary point was a commentary on what Fluke's entrance into vibration test/troubleshooting market may mean for users and competitors - drawing a comparison to the Infrared market.

3) To repeat - if the Infrared analogy is correct - history shows - very much like the PC market - faster-smaller-better-cheaper - is the trend.

(I paid $1750 for my first Apple II in 1982 - no hard drive and a 7 inch black and white monitor)

I am not making a value judgment about whether the huge upsurge in inexpensive (relatively) Infrared cameras is good or bad for the maintenance professional community - but it has sure made things interesting.

I think the same will be said about Vibration if it follows the same path - and it looks to me like that is the the idea Fluke has.


Terry O

To EHudson of Fluke

Thanks for keeping members informed with accurate details.

This would be a great place to post more product details (with the appropriate vendor warning) when they become available. There are over 15,000 members at MaintenanceForums and many have interest.

Terry O

My own take on this is that PdM and vibration analysis are two separate entities altogether.

The PdM program should not be confused with vibration diagnostics and trouble-shooting IMHO.
They can be one in the same but do not need to be.

I see future development to go along with data collection as in a logger and dump into PC where you get an automated machinery status report that gives a schedule. We are there or on the threshold are we not?

Hm, 800 lines for 10K? OLI

If that is true, you can't do much with 800 lines. In fact, hardly anything. Probably not able to resolve an outer race defect for a 6313 bearing (very common) at 3.07x rpm. Or 2x vs. 120 Hz for a 3590 rpm motor.

I go back into the days of 100 & 200 lines. 400 was a big plus when SD and B&K came along.

Some RTA features were real-time zooming to attain resolution of 0.003~ and better Hz. More than adequate. And those were 200 lines.

Most blackboxes or route collectors are not all that great for vibration analysis trouble-shooting.

Why don't people consider 27V pwr supplies and 'more than just a GP transducer'?