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hey everybody....
i'v got got a couple of questions for u guys
for an unbalanced overhang fan with a high 1xts vibration at the axial direction...can i balance it puting the sensors in the axial direction and if so anyone have tips or a paper for that
and is there any way to balane the fan with a refrance run....."if we attended a balance job on it b4 "
and just out of curiosity......i would like to know da manual method for balance.....
can anybody help me with that....maybe a paper orsomething


Regards
Mohamed abd el moteleb
junior CBM engineer
Asec artec, inc
Egypt
 
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As I understand you attempted to balance before?
Check bearings for proper installation ensuring bearing fixed and float is proper and alignment - bearing to shaft and bearing to bearing. Belt driven? Loosen belts; if it won't turn freely, assume binding.

Yes; unbalance occurs at 1X running speed but doing a bump test is also adviseable to ensure you're greater than 20% away (hopefully), else you'll have to elect to alter or balance what you have - history should determine.

Certainly imblance can be corrected using the axial position but confirmination of all planes must confirm. Setup your once per rev trigger and acquire data if a simple one-plane job. Maybe your job is a two-plane balance job! If so, are you using software? Yes, does it have an 'over-hung' program? If not treat the near end reading as the 'far end' and same with near end.

If this is a critical job and equipment, it may not be a good place for OJT except by looking over the shoulder of a consultant for a learning curve.

You must weight out all factors. Limited info here can get you off in a wrong direction. Maybe you can provide more info.


Cordially,
Sam Pickens
pdmsampickens@gmail.com

 
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You sound like you are trying to use one sensor measurement for one balance weight. Many of today's balance programs will let you optimize among several measurement planes, e.g. least squares programs, which may work with your data collector or other balance instruments.

Using more than one measurement can show if a single plane will balance all the measurements satisfactorily, much more easily than otherwise.


Regards,
Bill

Bill.Foiles@bp.com
 
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I have had tremendous success in using the axial direction for balancing. Even used some unorthodox or seemingly "you are joking" positions. Smiler

"Don't knock it unless you have tried it." Smiler


Thanks and Have a Great Day,
Ralph
Senior Analyst and Instructor
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With overhung rotors in many cases vibration is the highest in axial direction, so why not tackle it first. At the same time watching or using multiple measurement points for optimisation as suggested above will be very helpful.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Sam Pickens:
As I understand you attempted to balance before?
Check bearings for proper installation ensuring bearing fixed and float is proper and alignment - bearing to shaft and bearing to bearing. Belt driven? Loosen belts; if it won't turn freely, assume binding.

Yes; unbalance occurs at 1X running speed but doing a bump test is also adviseable to ensure you're greater than 20% away (hopefully), else you'll have to elect to alter or balance what you have - history should determine.

Certainly imblance can be corrected using the axial position but confirmination of all planes must confirm. Setup your once per rev trigger and acquire data if a simple one-plane job. Maybe your job is a two-plane balance job! If so, are you using software? Yes, does it have an 'over-hung' program? If not treat the near end reading as the 'far end' and same with near end.

If this is a critical job and equipment, it may not be a good place for OJT except by looking over the shoulder of a consultant for a learning curve.

You must weight out all factors. Limited info here can get you off in a wrong direction. Maybe you can provide more info.

yes i'v attemped to field balance b4 on different sizes fans "diamter between 50Cm to 2.5m"
the thing is in a overhung fan the outboard bearing shows phase difference of 90 degree but the inboard bearing shows 180 and
for that kind of high axial vibration i'd check for bent shaft but the 2XTS is 2 low and the bearings have planer motion not a rocking motion
am using a CSI 2120 fastball program
the fan isnt that crtetical....i just wana learn new techniques


Regards
Mohamed abd el moteleb
junior CBM engineer
Asec artec, inc
Egypt
 
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quote:
Originally posted by David_G:
With overhung rotors in many cases vibration is the highest in axial direction, so why not tackle it first. At the same time watching or using multiple measurement points for optimisation as suggested above will be very helpful.

well i have like 10 exact overhung fans and i did balance jobs on some of them but most of them where higher on the horizontal dirction so...thats where i put my sensors....
i never tried axial dirction for balancing..... i think am gona give it a shot


Regards
Mohamed abd el moteleb
junior CBM engineer
Asec artec, inc
Egypt
 
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Originally posted by Ralph Stewart:
I have had tremendous success in using the axial direction for balancing. Even used some unorthodox or seemingly "you are joking" positions. Smiler

"Don't knock it unless you have tried it." Smiler

lol...thanx ralph....i think am gona try it


Regards
Mohamed abd el moteleb
junior CBM engineer
Asec artec, inc
Egypt
 
Posts: 16 | Location: Egypt | Registered: 09 August 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Originally posted by William_C._Foiles:
You sound like you are trying to use one sensor measurement for one balance weight. Many of today's balance programs will let you optimize among several measurement planes, e.g. least squares programs, which may work with your data collector or other balance instruments.

Using more than one measurement can show if a single plane will balance all the measurements satisfactorily, much more easily than otherwise.

no i always use atleast 2 measurement plans with 2 sensors or 4...but most of the time one weight plan..... coz the rotors arent 2 wide


Regards
Mohamed abd el moteleb
junior CBM engineer
Asec artec, inc
Egypt
 
Posts: 16 | Location: Egypt | Registered: 09 August 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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