To all,
I'd like to hear from anyone who's had any experience, good, bad and/or indifferent, with Rockwell's "Dynamics" onlimne monitoring system. Any input/feeedback would be much appreciated.

Denny,

Is what they are calling "dynamics" now the XM module going through a PLC like a multiplexer supposedly giving it many channels?

D

Dave,
Correct...XM through a multi-plexer to PLC (RS Logix). They indicated they've setup "multiple" installations (no numbers)over the past two years. It's basically an "expert system" with minimal functionality at least from what I saw). Alarming based overall and band setpoints.

Denny,

Since there is now only 2 field service Engnrs left with vibe experiance, and one of them does strictly ROL analysis, I do not doubt that it is only alarming on overall. They (Rockwell) have said that they don't need the field people, since their drive service people can do anything the vibe people did. The "Dynamic" are somewhat of a joke, since they (Rockwell) have taken the stance of "smart" systems can replace the humans, it's all going to be online with AI to report on causes of alarms.
It is also my understanding as of last week, that there were only a couple of the dynamic systems installed, and they did not work well, as they were kinda demo right now. It's all been kinda been hush hush like it is some big secret they are afraid competition would get hold of. LOL
They'll probably sell AB off when the stock price tanks and they need more money, and then won't have the PLC to put overalls through.

Oh well, if you get one of the systems, tell us how it works for you I would certainly be interested to know first hand.

Dave

That's funny. I ran into a Rockwell guy the other day and he didn't seem to even know what I was talking about when I answered him that we were doing VA.

To Rockwell it seems:
IRD=Totally forgotten
Entek=Almost forgotten

Danny,
LOL.....Somehow I have the same feelings. It's too bad someone with at least a little interest wouldn't buy it (Entek).

I suspect that isn't too far off as they've (Rockwell) essentially run it into the ground.

Fellows it's a sad state of affairs what that bunch of accountants have done. They are as arrogant a bunch as you'll ever run across.
They (and the Amway type organization of distributers) know absolutely nothing about vibration, or reliability in general. However, they will know the current stock price, and what their quota is for the week.
If it wasn't so sad that so many good people in the industry were cast off, it would be funny.

I am intriqued (sp?) how they will market this "dynamics".
Denny, the next time they tell you they have installed "many" of them, ask them for three references and tell them you are real interested in seeing if the application will apply for you.
See what that gets you.

D

It sounds like there may be some opportunities for some of those "cast offs".

Gents -

Dynamix is not just a demo or or overall alarms. It is a good system with basic level diagnostics in the PLC, including much more than overall alarms and the capability to store the data in Emonitor for more advanced diagnostics. I am at RSTECHED right now we have a two hour lab on this solution and the feedback as been positive.

Our goal was to provide good information to the operator in a way that he can make decisions in real-time while preserving the data for detailed analysis by experts like you. The sequiential system also give us the ability to drive the cost per point down significantly.

I would be happy to provide more detailed information. just email me glhood@ra.rockwell.com.

To address comments made about Rockwell's comitment to this business. Yes- Rockwell has had to make some hard decisions including force reduction due to the economy. I don't like it anymore than the next guy....However, those of us left needed to respond, and we do have a stragtegy. We will be using third party integrators for our vib work, not sit back and say: 'hey drives guys can do it', (Dave not saying someone didn't say this to you, But I can assure you that we as a company do not believe that) in fact, the cuts were across all business not just the condition monitoring portion. This is publice knowledge. It is tough times and we like all of you and any business need to work with the greatet efficiencies.

Rockwell is comitted to this business.

Take Care

Greg Hood
Product Manager
Rockwell Automation

I wondered if you were still monitoring, figured we would smoke you out
I know that you are a straight shooter, Greg, however I do not think any previous IRD/Entek products (with the exception of Odyssey of course, which is what Rockwell was after) will be in vogue for more than a year now. To get rid of the product manager of the Enpac, the manager of service (who was the only one you had out there promoting and training the distributers), and all but the last two of the field service folks says a lot for where their (Rockwell) head is at. Do you seriously think the drive reps are going to set up XM's with vibe 1 knowledge
Watch the stock, it will probably go up a tenth of a point next week

Keep doing a good job Greg. Something good will come of Odyssey, it's just a shame that no one elses products will interface

Denny: I would trust what Greg says about the product. However, I would probably want him to install and train me on it if I were you.

D

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glhood@ra.rockwell.com.

Greg,
I'm interested in all you have to offer. I'm interested in talking to the actual users (installed base). If you can put me in touch with them...great.

I must admit that I've only witnessed a brief (60 min) sales presentation/demonstration on what available. That's why I posted on this forum, since I knew I ghet some great feedback! Thanks Dave & Danny! The pilots didn't seem to have many hours in the simulator. I guess I must have originally come from Missouri..or someplace like that. I must admit that I'm not a fan of the commercial guys doing technical presentations. The baffle the with b&^*sh*&....just to make a sale.

If you folks think the demos are bad now, wait until the rest of the world catches up with 'we don't need a paid salesforce, we can use distributors!!!!!!'

Hey Ron,
You still owe me a visit!

Couldn't agree more!!!!!! I'm sorry but the service aspect went down the tubes when they switched over to the distribution network! The distrbutor servicing us doesn't even have a clue......... and their service reflects it! It just puts a bad taste in your mouth.

My experience with IRD/Entek/Rockwell stretches back to the early eighties and it's never been this bad.

OK, you got me. Denny C who?
Ron

Ron,
We had talked on the land line, probably a couple of years ago now, about coming onsite to assist with an Ody problem I was having at Crane Paper, Dalton, MA.

Now I remember! It's really difficult for me to keep a name in my head without ever having had a 'face to face'. I hope Odyssey has treated you well. I know I am a very happy camper. Just ask Danny!!!

Danny who......LOL

I'd like to say that we have been approached with a proposal for a Dynamix system for one of our machines. Currently, we are awaiting for a working demo setup to see first hand. I have my doughts that it will be the right setup for our application, but we'll know more after a demo...

Xracer,
That's pretty much the same point we're at. Hopefully they'll be able to come through.

Unfortunately our site is secure so we're unable to be a demo site.

I was at a Solar Turbine users conference and the Solar guys were pushing XM in conjunction with the Allen Bradly PLC as the way to go...

I was a little suprised actually, but there seemed to be some animosity by the Solar guys toward a certain other very common brand of vibration monitoring.

They even made the comment that one very common online vibration data collection system was not applicable to their machines....