Hello All

Anybody is an active user of CSI 5200? I am new in Oil Analysis and currently using CSI 5200 but not sure the accuracy of this tools.
Currently just keep on trend and compared with fresh new oil from drums.

Anybody can share your experince? Some said that this mini lab is just fro trending and monitor viscocity only...

And where is the best sampling points ~ before filter or after filter?

Thanks!

I heard the CSI minilab is good. What tests can be done?

Best sampling points definitely before filters on return line.

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Hello...
Not sure (still learning) but if you sampled after the filter would this not give a truer picture of the condition of the oil itself, and if you sampled before the filter (say on a return line) would this not give you a condition of the machine itself. (combine the two for the whole picture)

Hello

Any tribologist?

sampling before filter or after filter?

Josh,
which part of borneo are you?

currently we monitor viscosity, wear and contamination in general. I'm still new in oil analysis. Need more exposure and experience. That's why im here

I'm not a tribologist, but you definitely sample before the filter. The only info I can think of you would learn by sampling before and after is how well the filter might be working.

The filters won't do anything to the oil that change its condition other than remove particles.

I'm no expert on the CSI 5200 but I don't think it directly measuring particle sizes, so it will only give you a relative sense of particle size by measuring on both sides.

CBM, I'm in Sarawak part of Borneo. Which part of Asia are you? You can read lubrication matters a lot in www.noria.com.

Josh,

I'm in northern of Swk.
Thanks for the info

Hi,

This is a great lab and u definitelt need an Oil Analysis Level I course.

Pls. communicate me privately, for technical literature,

mzeeiqbal@hotmail.com

Now, speaking of where to sample, definitely b/f the filters.

any CSI 5200 users?
wanna share your experienced?

You can contact CSI to get their client reference list, which you can call.

It's quite complete but more expensive compared to other sets of onsite oil test kit.

Josh!

how are you? hope you in good condition

did you mention it is complete? meaning that the analyser is a good tools compared to others? what am i lack is the confidence in reporting, since the test is generally test on only several basic test like viscosity, contamination (which is general) and what's more?

My current practice is just comparing used oil with fresh oil taken from the drum, but currently oil analysis prog halt due to faulty weight scale!

I was a 5100 user for about 5 years, then switched company and now I´m using external lab services in my new job. 5100 and other tools like viscosimeter and particle counter were great for oil analysis, I´m sure 5200 it´s a nice tool, although I´m not using it right now.

For sample points, is better before filter and if possible, in a place where you have turbulence. Avoid places were oil is stationary or laminar flow. A good point with turbulence is an elbow.

Try not to be limited just sampling, testing and analyzing. Lubrication is a really broad field and you can improve not just from the Predictive Maintenance point of view, you can improve everything. Ideas:

1. Verify you have a plant wide lubrication program with defined lubrication routines in accordance to manufacturer specifications, for every single equipment.

2. Ensure you have an updated oil and grease list for lubricants used in your facility. It´s surprising how many plants don´t have it.

3. Go deep into maintenance data and quantify how much oil and grease ($$$$) are you spending in your facility, organize the information by process, by plant, or by machine (in accordance with your site characteristics), and identify in which one of them you can improve consumption ($$$$$). You will need to quantify (try to have oil consumption instruments installed at least on critical machines).

4. Keep records of your oil life and compare them to oil expected life (OEM data), how much money are you saving to the company. Keep management posted about these improvements (predictive maintenance increasing lubricants life).

Well, just some ideas I just wrote down fast, sure you have some on your own. Good luck.

CBMA

I think the CSI unit may need to be cross-checked with a comprehensive laboratory analysis. It's meant for some quick onsite oil tests such as TBN, TAN and water content etc.

What do you compare for used oil vs new oil? Just colour?

Why do you a weight scale for oil tests?

I just recently started with the 5200 mini oil lab and I have never been to any classes or anything and I'm lost. Everything I run shows either cont. or wear. I need to know what set points to go by. I guess what I'm trying to say is there a sheet I can go by to determine how long the oil can go before being changed? Any help would be appreciated.

Albert,

The important factor in this minilab is you need to know the oil ISO cleanliness target - as per machine OEM recommendation. CHeck under lube oil sections and this is for the particle count eg 16/14/12. represent target of particles in micron. Pls correct me if im wrong.

In the database, you need to specify which machine you are handling with eihter turbine/recip/gearbox oil.

As for guidelines, i sample new/fresh oil from the drum to compare with oil used in the machine we monitor.

Hope thats help by amatuer oil analyst

Josh,
the weight scale is use mainly for the particle count i suppose.