PS - I really do not view this discussion as venom or hostility - heck I grew up with 8 bothers and sisters in Irish family and this discussion does not even begin to reach hostitlity!

You should have been at our dinner table some nights!

LOL!

Terry,

Point taken regarding hostility, that wasn't the word I used. As you would be aware a consultant occasionally has to deal with a little of that. (Sad but true)

The venom comment was to get a reaction... it didnt work! So wa a wasted effort!

To the summary:

quote:

1) Analysts are major influencers of how top corporate management hold asset management, maintenance and reliability

2) Analysts are not reliability experts but do have other (mainly IT) expertise and many diffeernt information resources

3) Analysts are paid by some suppliers to provide both public and private reports

4) Some reports (ex: Magic Quadrant) are not works for hire and you feel they are independent

5) Many maintenance and reliability professionals are not accessing this information or even know that it exists

A few changes.. analysts, at least Gartner to who I was referring and have the most exposure to, do influence boardrooms with regard to purchasing information management systems. They are not the only source of influence, nor are they often given much weight, but their reports do become part of a decision to spend the big dollars.

Through this angle, the spend on IT, they influence the spend on reliability and asset management. To my experience many boardrooms do not actually use these sorts of reports to guide decisions in this area. But if they have decided for whatever reason to take on an ERP system, then asset management gets affected by inference.

The analysts that I know are not asset managers no, they are either bussiness analysts or specialist IT or IS analysts who derive their forecasts and summaries based on the informationthey are presented. SOme of these groups do have a vast network for gathering, distilling and producing results from information such as this. (I think I can give an example or two of that if required, but often at the CIO level of business)

I understand that there are paid for reports that are both public and private, however the majority that I am aware of are private such as market analysis, competitor analysis etc. Those that are public are generally commissioned to put something to the market. I have found them to be fair in my estimation and tend to show the good and bad according to whoever did the research.

And yes, they are in the market, we are having decisions made about our futures with information such as this being used. (regardless of whether it comes from an informed source or not) And we SHOULD be doing something about it!

How do we get to the boardroom, depends who you are. For those at the front line there is a need to present things strategically rather than tactically. THis is probably the only thing that may get you noticed, other than that your entry point is through influencing those who influence the decision makers. All gets pretty grubby really.

Cheers,

I read what's on the web. It claims a lot of benefits but not many real facts & figures even from the samples taken from their clients. The real report is expensive to buy.

Josh,

Yup its expensive to get detailed analytical information. There are other avenues but at the end of the day there may be a need for you to bite the bullet and do something like that.

Have you checked the sites of any of the systems they speak about? Have you contacted the people who wrote the article? have you searched for other related type information? What are YOUR conclusions regarding PAM systems?

How much of recent studies published here, Terry's 600 CMMS systems report, is useful for giving you what you need to know? What were your conslusions regarding that report?

Have you checked other sources throughout the internet for this type of information, Terry's cmmscity.com, or technologyevaluation.com and so on and so forth? What level of information have they been able to give you regarding your search?

When you find some of this information I would be interested in seeing some of your conclusions here, in fact I would see it as time well spent by all of us over the past few months.

Intrerested to see your responses.

Rgds,