Elle if you are confused right now with the CMMS, what will happen with the not so enlighted crowd

OK apology excepted but

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The proposed CMMS is to be integrated to a separate Finance package which has a payroll module for timesheet entry.

I jumped in the discusion because of the word payroll

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So your activity code is separate from the Work Order number? The CMMS we are looking at has the activity embedded within the Work Order (eg. Work Order No. 12345 has an activity type = “repair sign faceplate”). Is this unusual?

In our system we can have one workorder with several activities.
We used once about 110 activities on one single workorder.

Don't mix activity type with Activity

In our system :
activity 1 could be a service workorder to an outside contractor (machine shop, dealer)
activity 2 could be setting up and dismantle scaffold by spiderman crew
activity 3 could be an aligning job by millwright

All these thing on the same workorder.

Activity type could be something like: PPM, OVERHAUL, INSPECTION, OUTSOURCING or Do Nothing

Total job time versus x wrench time.

Total job time, would involve the whole planning/preparation.

In a refinery, wrench time = 1 hour
Total time 5 hours, depending on permits, where is the @#$\ operations supervisor, safety official and everybody who has to sign the hotwork permit. Or 1 hour and 10 minutes when using the stepping toe tactics.

In a field operation (mobile equipment, mining etc..)
Wrench time is 15 minutes
Total time = 2 days, depending on rain, transport by boat, truck or helicopter etc..

svannels if you locate the @#$\ operations supervisor give me a call; I'm also looking for him.

The outcome of the total time in option 2, could be decissive to sentence someone to shiftwork, depending on the criticality of the object in question.

Eugene did you found the information at Driedger's website?

In our current CMMS we cannot list individual tasks...next one will be able to do so. We can select multiple activity codes for reporting time to the work orders and this can be an effective way to gather better information, but we do not consistently use it to define what different activities one person did during the job. Usually, the mech just inputs X hours with a MECH activity code and an electrician just inputs X hours with ELECT activity code.

We do our payroll out of the CMMS and I have gotten used to being able to see all of the time required for the completion of the work order. The reason I consider this valuable is for scheduling jobs based on total manpower required for the entire job.

For example, one of our planners would use the following type of reasoning when recording the estimated hours for the change out of one of our mill motors:

Elect Craft - 4 people - 12 manhours
(15 min est for lock out, 45 minutes for disconnecting, 1.5 hours for reconnecting and checking, 30 min for remove locks and cleanup)
Mech Craft - 4 people - 12 manhours
(15 min est for lock out, 1 hour to remove covers, disconnect shafts, remove motor, 1.25 hour to set new motor in place and reconnect, 30 min for remove locks and clean up)
Mech Craft - 2 people - 6 manhours
(15 mins for lock out, 2.5 hours for alignment, 15 min for cleanup and remove locks)

Total job - 30 manhours - total job length from job plan (not shown above) 7.5 hours start to finish

This allows us to schedule the appropriate amount of manpower for the job. We would be 7 manhours short if we did not include lock out, remove locks, and clean up...and these 7 hours of availability would be scheduled for other jobs. We take the total manpower available and schedule 100 percent of available manpower.

How do you schedule your jobs?
Do you use estimated hours for all planned jobs?

When we review the job to see how we performed or if changes need to be made to the job plan, we compare actual vs estimated. How do you compare this with only wrench time being recorded? Do you estimate wrench time only?

We only do detail scheduling for big and/or complex jobs. Since in these jobs a lot of activities are going on, the plant is running 24x7.

About the costs, long long years ago an old & wise maintenance consultant gave us his opinion about internal billing of manhours: switching your wallet from your left pocket to the right one, too much, will get you tired, but you will not loose or gain any money
Since we were at that time in an inflationary environment, and had enough maintenance issues to take care of it was a no value adding activity.
I also must say that WE (maintenance) implemented the CMMS, the beanies appeared later.