ISO13379 CM and diagnostics of machines: general guidelines on data interpretation and diagnostics techniques was issued in 2003. It is one of a developing set of standards covering condition monitoring, its technologies, and training of practitioners.

This ISO contains a heap of practical sdvice o nsetting up, FMSA, confidence, reporting, etc.

I am interested in finding out whether CM people know about it. Is anyone using it?

Many ISO standards are adopted as national standards: has any country adopted this one, or other ISO CM standards?

Abstract from ISO site:

ISO 13379:2003 gives guidance for data interpretation and diagnostics of machines. It is intended to allow the users and manufacturers of condition monitoring and diagnostics systems to share common concepts in the fields of machine diagnostics; to enable users to prepare the necessary technical characteristics that will be used for the further diagnosis of the condition of the machine; and to give an appropriate approach to achieve a diagnosis of machine faults.

Since it gives general guidelines, a list of the machine types addressed is not included. However, the machine sets covered by ISO 13379:2003 will normally include industrial machines such as turbines, compressors, pumps, generators, electrical motors, blowers and fans.


Ray Beebe

Hi Ray,
I have read your book. Used some of the tips in it. (Pressure gauges on Balance lines)

To your question . Do you have a copy of the standard so I can have a look. If it is copy righted ignore my request.

Ray

One of the standards that I was looking for is for lubrication which from the ISO website says led by Australia Standards. Any idea on the progress this?

Josh,

The tribology related standard is still in work. This effort has been plagued by several false starts and the unfortunate loss of several of the people who were working on the document. I think that the document will progress rather rapidly with the new project manager. Work will be on-going with the next meeting in Prague, Czech Republic in April.

Ken Culverson

Ken,

was it the same standard Peter Ball was working on? I read a draft a few years ago sent me by Peter. Unfortunately Peter passed away.

Who is working on it now? Is the work continuation or you restarted everything?


Ray,

nice to see you still active on the board. If I am not mistaken we met in Brisbane in mid 90"s during CM2 conference...good old days...

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Kris,

Peter's draft was a rework of an earlier text and was reworked subsequent to Peter's death. At the last meeting in Florida, the working group decided that the existing document was not saveable and a new working draft was outlined will address the rationale and specifics of a maintenance program which is based on tribology, rather than a textbook on tribology. Leith Hitchcock is the project lead on the document and and wh have about 10-15 or so individual experts from participating countries also working of the document. Of course, we always can use additional members.

Ken Culverson

Ken,

thanks for the information. I would love to see the outline of the new standard. Would it be possible? Who should I contact?

ISO Standards are copyright, but can be purchased on line and downloaded.

Visit http://www.iso.org/iso/en/ISOOnline.frontpage

and search under "13379" or keywords.

Ray,

thanks for the link. I know about the copyright. I was refering to the draft oil analysis/trybology standard under development.

As I remember it, I think you need to contact your national Standards body and offer to become involved as a voting member in the relevant Technical Committee. I think that is what I did with Standards Australia.

The Committee handling conditon monitoring is TC108/SC5 with Working Group 4 on the oil stuff.

Ken

How far would be the lubrication standard from these two standards?

ASTM D 6224 - "Standard Practice for In-Service Monitoring of Lubricating Oil for Auxiliary Power Plant Equipment"

ASTM D 4378 - "Standard Practice for In-Service Monitoring of Mineral Turbine Oil for Steam and Gas Turbines"

Josh,

The proposed standard is in outline form at the moment and I can't find my copy at this time (got to straighten out my hard disk). The standard is destined for the general maintenance environment. The work group always looks at those standards, international and other, that are germane to our work and try not to duplicate the work of existing international standards. We should have a good working draft after Prague next month.

Ken Culverson

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ISO13379 CM and diagnostics of machines....I am interested in finding out whether CM people know about it. Is anyone using it?

Never heard of it before. It sounds like it would be useful for information. The only way I can see it ever being directly applicable to us as a standard is if our insurance company for industrial loss prevention required it.

Only when insurance company requires it? This view sounds quite prevalent. In our case, the insurance agent commonly asks whether the overhauls are carried out as per OEM schedule and supervised by the OEM rep. Can we not do better than the insurance requirements?

I didn't say we shoot for the minimum required. I said that it would be interesting for information, but the only time it would be directly applicable to us as a standard (i.e. required) is if it were required by our insurance.

We do what makes sense to us from a business/safety standpoint, and we also do what is required of us by external organizations. Those two are not always the same.

So the new ISO document would be a valuable source of info for our own learning and improvement, but not a requirement .

Ok, understood Electricpete.

To you and others,

What are your insurance requirements in the nuclear industry?

Does the insurance company require you to overhaul your rotating equipment based on the OEM overhaul schedule under the supervision of the OEM representative (to show proof of personnel compentency) or does it allow you to extend the overhaul interval based on your knowledge of condition monitoring etc.?

Some times we can not make understand our own management that what we are proposing is the best way to go; what chance we have against the insurance company?

Ray,

I just downloaded the ISO13379 Standard, I did not about it until now.
I read your book, and I would like to perform the Thermodynamic Method at our pumps. You gave some links(yatesmeter, pumpmonitor) to get that service but they are in Australia and UK,do you know any company or link wich perform Thermodynamic Method in USA??, it is just because is cheaper(we are in South America)for us bring it from USA.

I do not know of any USA company that offers the method, and can only suggest you try one of those links as they may have affiliates in other countries.

www.yatesmeter.co.uk/

www.pumpmonitor.com

Ray Beebe

Ray, Won't it be more specific to refer to individual ISO 10816 Parts 1 to 6 for vibration evaluation of the various machines?