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I just found this CM application for PCs if you have a processor from Intel:
Intel® Active Monitor is an alerting utility created by Intel and available exclusively on Intel® Desktop Boards1. As PCs increase in performance and decrease in size, monitoring the cooling and overall system health becomesmore important. The Intel Active Monitor works with specialized sensors on your Intel Desktop Board to constantly monitor the system's temperatures, power supply voltages, and fan speeds. If temperatures become extremely hot or asystem fan or power supply fails, the user is immediately notified. http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/active.htm Note from Terry O: I have not tried this application and am not recommending it. I have heard it does make a BIOS change and you may not wish to mess around with your system BIOS. The idea of a built in system monitor accessible by the client is pretty cool. No extra cost!  Terry O |
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This topic bings up something I get to thinking about now and then... Why don't motor, bearing and pump companies machine or design data collection points on their machines? All of them seem to think vibration/ultrasonics are good for predictive evalution so it seems as though they would "enginner" it on their systems.
Aubrey |
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SAP CMMS has a lot of this incorporated plus a lot more monitoring like position of valve, motor current, etc...
Cordially, Sam Pickens pdmsampickens@gmail.com |
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I remember reading some where about vibration transducers embedded in bearings (smart bearings) - i think in the rail industry.
Anyone know more about this? Mike. |
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Terry,
I believe that the future equipment will be much smarter and will have “self monitoring†capabilities. The question I have is how these capabilities will be utilized? In other words - will this information be acted upon? Some of you may know big haul trucks utilized in mining industry. Most of the trucks are equipped in sophisticated monitoring and recording equipment. Recently I had an opportunity to visit a mine operating state of the art electrical trucks. Guess what happens to all of this data? Nothing! Nobody even bothers to download it not to mention do basic analysis! So I would say – yes. The future equipment will be equipped in “smart†sensors. However, will industry benefit from it? I do not know. Kris, CMRP |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kris:
".... Most of the trucks are equipped in sophisticated monitoring and recording equipment. Recently I had an opportunity to visit a mine operating state of the art electrical trucks. Guess what happens to all of this data? Nothing! Nobody even bothers to download it not to mention do basic analysis!.... " A cycnic would suggest that by having the monitoring equipment installed, the owner would get a significant reduction in insurance premium. So to a generalist manager, or an accountant, it pays off. I heard of one case, also in mining, where an eager young condition monitoring guy was hired. When he asked what they wanted him to do, he was told he didn't have to do anything - just sit there. By having him there, they got a big reduction in the insurance premium. |
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Sad, but true. I have witnessed over 30 years of 'analysis in the future', only to see industry fall back into 'run to failure' over and over again. It occurs to me the main reason for this is the insistance of companies to compartmentalize profit and loss. The person making the calls on the production side and the person making the calls on the reliability side have absolutely zero overlap for responsibility. By that I mean the maintenance calls are made with one set of profit and loss (fix it cheap), and when the machine dies and production is lost, there is almost never any action to look at maintenance practices.
Reliance Electric had a program start in 1993 to put the sensors in new motors for vibration, temperature, voltage and current. I proposed three levels of complexity. 1. - sensors only out to a connection box for walk around, or the customer could run them to their process control computers. 2. - Some sort of memory and smarts at the computer to catch an event between trended visits for download and retro analysis. 3. - All the bells and whistles to take, save and evaluate the data right at the motor. Well, Reliance gave the project to Corporate R&D, so guess which level was develope first and ONLY???!!!! Level 3 with a price that doubled the cost of a 500 hp motor, Guess how many were sold?????!!!! What't that, none you say????!!!! Oh, what cynics!!! |
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I think the world is on a buzz right now - technological advance is sought after - maybe star wars syndrome - lets see how quickly we can get to that point - or star trek syndrome - we already have syringes you can place on the skin and push a button to inject - like McCoy - I use one for my daily insulin injections.
Communicators are already here with small flip top cell phones. The electronic pad that Kirk use to sign his signature on before he winked at the pretty short skirted ensign is here - I just signed for another courier parcel the other day (I didn't wink though). We are really seeing the development of technology through the imagination of Hollywood. As they say - "stay tuned". This message has been edited. Last edited by: mike66, |
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I think manufacturers would like to add all the CBM instruments but won't the buyers take the cheapest one? So the specifications should be standardardized by the buyers first so that different manufacturers can bid to the same standard.
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Andy Hess gave an interesting paper that is most relevant to this. At the time, he was involved in the Joint Strike Fighter project. You can see the PPT of his talk last May at ICOMS2007 (in Melbourne, Australia) on www.amcouncil.com.au. Scroll down under "Resources" to "Presentations".
From my own experience, I think it is that people walk around a plant, and observe while taking data. (I admit this is not on for a fighter plane!) (ICOMS is the annual conference of the Asset Management Council (Also known as MESA). Next one is in Perth, May 2008- come along!) Author, "Predictive maintenance of pumps using condition monitoring" (2004) |
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I am new to this "community", so I hope that I am approaching this correctly even though this thread has been inactive for almost 2 years now. In any case, I would like to know more about the Reliance Electric Project that Ron Brook was discussing in the post above. I am currently an intern working on what is a very similar project. I tried to google for more information, but I turned up with nothing valuable pertaining this project. I do not know if that has to do with the fact that Reliance mainly operates as Rockwell now even though I heard that there are a few small offices still open. Granted that I am an intern, I realize that my level of competency is far below many who have been working on similar projects, but I would be very interested in knowing more about this or similar projects. Thank you. |
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